I never tried their shorts, but do not buy their pants. Mains reasons: 1. Their button setup is super cheap, the one part of the botton that connects came off after only 1 month of owning these pants so now I can't button up my pants, only zip. I'm forced to wear a belt with these pants until i can see if the button can be replaced. Leads me to #2. Their belt loops are not spaced out right, so your belt can't reach the loop in it's final position unless you shift your belt to the far left which obviously looks weird. #3. Something about the material causes the pants to easily become super wrinkled quickly. For $109, this was absolutely disappointing and not even worth $25. I've been busy with travel so missed the return deadline and now I'm stuck with these pants. I will never buy fron Birddogs again.